Happy New Year. was the beginning of our latest episode. And Ralf, what a blast. We said we have more direct conversations, but we used the opportunity and had a brilliant guest. Femke was with us. And I don't know, from my perspective, that was a fantastic recording and interesting one. Definitely. What do you think? Yeah, I can't wait to get the community feedback, but it was a blast for me too. So it was so much fun to talk to this, to our really, really well-known guests, in my opinion, but I don't know if our community does know it. And I've learned a lot in this episode. It was not only about AI, it was also about her career, her daily doing, how AI influenced her life, as well as... the importance and the reasons for Women in Tech was well explained as well as on how you can support this. And in my opinion, that was really a blast. I've learned so much and I have to say I'm a big fan of Femke because she is really such a nice person, so like-minded and I mean, and technically so much into everything. Absolutely. And beside all the stuff you can learn, can hear, everyone can hear how much fun we had during the recording. And that's a good one. So I really enjoy this session and I'm really happy to listen to it again and again. And also what I really loved was to have a discussion how you can switch the careers, So Femke is coming from a completely different background and now is in tech. And how she works with AI, you mentioned it already. So it was really a brilliant recording. So I'm happy we got that. Yeah, happy, happy, really happy. So enjoy it and have fun with it and leave a feedback for us. Thanks. Thanks. Hey, folks, and hello and happy new year 2025. A lot happened already in the beginning of this year here in yet in January. And I'm not alone. I have with me my co-host, Michael. Say hello. Thank you, Michael. And I'm not only with Michael here. And I'm not alone with Michael here. We have a special guest today. And I'm very, very happy to have this special guest here. And Michael has for sure. You're the nice guy, go ahead. Yeah, first a nice guy. Yes, in the recording, he is announcing myself as a nice guy. So please keep that in your mind, even if I'm mean in the next one hour or something like that. So also from my side, Happy New Year, Happy 2025. We are really pleased that we have our guest here after some... preparations and difficulties to find the right appointment to set this up. And yes, we are really looking forward to hear about you and talk about AI with you. Welcome, Femke. Thank you so much and happy new year, everyone. So my name is Svenke Cornedis and I live in Rotterdam, still live in Rotterdam. And I'm sorry. Thank you for having me in your podcast. It's really amazing to do doing this. I'm one of the founders of the community, there's women in tech and It's a community for getting more women in the tech fields. And what we are doing is try to set up programs for them. For example, Women in Cyber, where we do an eight week program helping women to make a first step in introduction to the cybersecurity world. And as well, we're going to do that this year for women in AI, because we know a lot of women want to start in a tech field, but don't know. how to start and that's exactly what we're doing. We're helping them. So yeah, I think when I'm introducing myself, I can talk a lot about community stuff. I enjoy the community. And I saw you as well in Utrecht, Ralf a few weeks ago, where we discussed this podcast. How was that? Well, Utrecht was very nice, nice, nice event. I had a lot of fun there. was very different from the central station up on to the, uh, the, uh, community side as well as the, um, the venue. was really, really nice meeting you and having the chance to get this date fixed, to get you on board or our podcast, the biggest success of that event for me. Um, and, uh, and. Yes, it was really nice and I really love the folks over there. And before you're asking, yes, for sure, I can talk one word in Dutch and that's DAAR, which is DAAR. I'm currently out of any other words for that. I'm sorry. And yeah, it was really, really cool over there. I enjoyed it a lot. Even I had to leave early the party, but from what I've heard from... my mates visiting the event as well. It was a great event and I love to see like that it wasn't like so how can I say that firm event was like a festival a little bit more a little bit like loose and structured but well structured and well organized but not so firm. know what I mean? It was fun. always when it's a party of Hank, Hank is always that way, right? He can do this as the best one. And it's always fun, but as well, really good. I enjoy his community events always. Yeah. that's really, really awesome. yeah. And Donna was there as well. I think it's a great name to have on the stage. Yeah, one of the great names there. wasn't the only one like you were there as well. and, and, yeah. so that said, Femke and you told already a little bit about you. I'd love to dig a little bit deeper into your professional career and who you are, like, where did you start? so that we can get a more complete picture of you. Cause I'm guessing. Michael and me know you pretty well for a while now, but it be that our audition is not that well informed and they need to be informed. So I started in tech like 10 years ago. So for us of that, I'm now a chief Copilot at Word.L from the business perspective, if we want to talk about that. So what I do is I help customers with inspiration about Copilots and how you can use Copilots in different ways. But maybe it's interesting to tell us well, how I get started in. because I started like 10 years ago and before that I was someone who is making pictures and had no experience in technology. So I started as a marketeer in an IT company and after 10 years I grow in different roles and now I'm working at the, I think the biggest tech company in the Netherlands for my for Microsoft Company, So, Microsoft partner. And I'm really enjoying that, share a lot of knowledge about Copilots, for example, and I'm working with great customers, yeah. So you're copiloting WordCell through this AI world, let's say. Let's say that's yes. Michael, can you give our listeners a overview about copilot? So we're dealing with this word, but it can be that some of them just tuned in don't know what it is. you take me because I have not as much idea about the technology part as you both do. Thank you. Now I try, I try to keep it simple. I try to keep it simple for, for my understanding. No, just kidding. Yeah. everyone is aware of open AI and chat GPT because everyone knows about this favorite tool of everyone talking about generative AI. And everyone estimates Microsoft is talking about JetGPT when we talk about Copilot. That's not true because it's kind of customized with more boundaries and especially security boundaries on your own tenant AI technology which helps you to work with your data on a secure way. And so Copilot can help you to work with your data on email, SharePoint, OneDrive, Teams, messages, Teams meetings, and yeah, in a lot of different technologies actually, depending on the license, now I don't want to start to complain about the different stories from Copilot everywhere. Sorry. Yes, and I think that's the main understanding for whenever we talk about copilot. And Sampy, you mentioned you're talking to customers as well. Do you have the feeling that everyone understands what copilot is as I try to explain it right now, or is it different? think you explained it really well. And I think a lot of people don't know what Copilot is and how you can use it. a lot of people think their whole work, they will change and they have nothing to do anymore because Copilot is there and can do everything. So it's everything or it's nothing. That's a lot of in between of expectations about what Copilot can do. So we need to find out where everyone is at that moment. and bring them all together in a level that they understand what it actually is and how we actually can use it. But you did pretty well, so you're higher, I think. But yeah, one of the things that I really enjoy doing with customers is what they want to achieve, what are the goals of the company, what they really want to... bring on table not only on using copilot, but what is their thing that is really on their minds for not only IT mind, but on their mind that they want to achieve with each other. for example, for the insurance markets, I see that they want to have better communication with the customer or they want to have less administration's task, all kinds of things. And I think every industry have their own things or every company have their own achievements that they want to achieve and Copilot can help there. But I also believe it's not for everyone. And we need to figure out which kind of person have the most out of it. And I see it the most always in HR, marketing, all that kind of roles are the best. I think in this. And of course, when we talk about M.G.C.E. 5 Copilot, then we talk about the different applications, but we have as well like Copilot Studio, the agents. That's more about product process, productivity way. That's hard for people to telling what it is and how we can use it and why it's what it is. So a lot of things happening, I think in the Microsoft. stack for users to find out what it is and what it actually is. Great. So we have now a great explanation about future ranges at customer side, as well as we have an understanding about copilot itself, M365 copilot. I have to shrink it to this narrow corner because we do have a bunch of other copilots in the market. say, right? I don't I really don't know is GitHub Copilots counted in there? Do you think so? Yes, OK, 108. Look at that. We keep kidding like a name in Microsoft product and add Copilot to it so you have it. We're really close to that. Some of them are not that great. Assistance as you want to have them, but but it's like so so thank you. does your daily business look like? So when we're talking about you as a women in tech and you've done your career, you started your career 10 years ago and you go like a rocket up, how do you see your daily business with challenges, what can we expect when we would join Femke for 24 hours? Oh, funny question. So I have two children, that's the first thing. So I start off like in five, I think, because they want to go out of bed crying that they want to go out. So that's the first thing. But yeah, what I'm doing, I do a lot of stuff. I'm always on, I think. and I really enjoy my work. So I think that's one of the fantastic things that I have. But for example, the day as today, maybe that's a good one to mention. I had today a webinar from our company where we talked about like SharePoint stuff that we can... put in to get better results with copilots, as well data governance, data security. So there was a webinar today that I had, but as well as a customer story talking with them, how they use Copilot now and how they can use it in the future. And yeah, what I also doing is a lot of podcasts. So this kind of things, but as well going to travel to events and sharing my story there as well. Also talking about women in tech and helping there. Yeah, I already mentioned that we have like a program for women in cyber. There are more than almost 300 women in who need support and help in their journey. So yeah, my day was today as well helping them. support in some kind of ways that needed. So I think every five minutes is different. But always with my mindset is always helping others. And I think I'm really enjoying doing that, helping others, bring them in front and let them grow. And yeah, I like to do that. So my day is around us with our customers, but as well with the programs that I lead and what I do. And yeah, I really like to step out of my comfort zone. I really like to do that. And maybe people don't like that, but I need this. So if that's not going to happen, then I'm really not happy. So speaking at a conference or something like that on a ship deck that I'm not know that much. That keeps me light on and I want to learn more and I want to figure out what I can do to do that. yeah, I think every evening I'm working on community stuff and on content and my head's spinning around 24-7, I think about what other people probably want to know or want to learn or what I can share about my journey. So that's my day. Always busy. Impressive. Just out of curiosity, does AI help you in some steps of the 24 hour 7 days? I'm talking all day with Copilots, but of course I also use Chat TV and some other tools as well. Do you use it for finding some ideas or to work on existing ideas? What do you think is most often the scenario? Um, I really started as a starting point. So I want to do this and I want to achieve this, but I don't know what I need to do and how to come there. So I'm asking that. I'm for example, with Chess with the or with Copilots and I do that like 25 times. And then there is something like, Oh, this is really good. I love this. And then I'm going further. And so the whole day I'm my starting point is only on AI. don't do anything else. I'm only working on AI and then I have the exact thing that I want. That's Yeah, pretty much the same. I use it as a coach, I would say, in some scenarios. Not every time. Not nearly as much as I should maybe. But definitely something like I use for specific scenarios where I need someone who can help me with some challenging ideas. Do you know the scenario where you may have something you cannot pin down? You are just thinking in every way, but you cannot nail it. So you need someone to talk about that. And that's sometimes, or actually pretty often, AI for me nowadays. So that's pretty helpful. That's something I like. when I want to talk to some experienced people, I talk to myself, but... No, just kidding. Yeah. I have to say, personally don't use AI that much at the moment. I'm more or less exploring use cases from customers, putting technical stuff together on make it work in a production way. as well as so I'm more tinkering about all those possible solutions and how they come into to be a productive Copilot or a productive AI tool for the customers. And that said, the most time when I use AI, is like mid-journey or like... kind of stuff like that. And in some cases also get a Copilot server. It's really not that much in my daily things. Sometimes when I'm up to like create a talk, I really like AI because when I have a story in mind, it helps me to structure that storyline, for instance, not to provide the inputs to that story, but to structure that story. as well as, yeah, kind of these are the things I'm doing with it. It's not that big thing. I'm more more developing solutions for customers like automating processes and automating like DevOps or stuff around. So it's a pretty different approach from what you are doing in your daily businesses. So when you utilize M365 Copilot, I guess. Yeah, and one of the things that I use is, for example, all the questions that I got about Copilot. So I make a document with all the things that I get from other people about our solutions or our flyers about how we sell Copilot or all kinds of things that are changing a lot because Microsoft is changing as well everything a lot. So I put that in in SharePoint's library and I make an agent on it and I train that agent. So people don't have to ask me anymore. They can ask the agents and they have the first step is now them and staff of that day need to have like FEMCA and asking what are the last changes there. So I see that more and more like having some documents or some different documents on different libraries that you can bring together and put all these solutions together and learning what kind of questions people have. And yeah, you can make them better. And the fun fact is that first you start with that. And after that, you say, okay, I can put as well all my communication in it, like all my blog posts that I did from the last two years. I put it in the agents and I can say, okay, I wanna make a new blog post about this. Look at all the communication I did earlier. I wanted it in the same way that I always write. me my first, first response. If a first response, we'll look at this and this is what I really think is important for this article. But what you can do is not only that, can also say, okay, when we do this, I want to have this. So put it as well on the website or find a photo of me because I always use photos. Find a photo that will probably fit with this. This is my way of a lot of pictures that you can have from me. So, and it's not always, it's not. there that I could say, okay, it's 100%. It's right, but it's like 90%. I can look at it and I think, oh, this is a great idea. I really love this. This is new. is, and I give my opinion about it and make it better. So it's like concepts of things that I already made in a new way with new stuff that Microsoft published as well. and my opinion, what I think about this. Great stuff. So to our audition agents is on one hand a marketing board for Microsoft and on the other hand, a technical description for something. So the common understanding of an agent is that it is a dedicated AI service for a dedicated action, task or whatever, knowledge. It's dedicated, okay? And in the meaning of having a Copilot agent that differs from that, it is not that much focused on that special tasks. It is more or less like having a zone of like information or tasks or stuff. is a broader use case there. And please don't mistake that. AI agent in a classical way is dedicated for a dedicated task, job, whatever, and action. we have that Copilot agents. Sorry, Femke, you're right. no, that's, that's true. And for example, it's like for HR that you have like someone who has a, want to ask how many days then I can have off this year, for example, and they say, okay, you have like 25 days you can have off this year. Okay. I want next week, Wednesday, I want to have a free day and then. That the task is that that's going to happen. That's the agents is going to do that in the other system. You don't have to go to the system asking to really go to that next week and say, okay, I want to have a day off. And I think that's a real great example that you can do everything around that agents ask questions and say, following up is this. And you don't have to go by yourself, but there is like connection that is doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to point it out because when our listeners followed our podcast, they already learned a bit about agents and it is the concept of the M365 copilot agent is a bit different than the technical classical description of an agent. And this I wanted to highlight out. So it's really funny to see that on how you were already involving AI in your daily business and as well, Michael on your. page as well. It's so cool. this is what I really like. It is that if you're not that technical guy, but you are completely into it, you have some more creative ways to utilize AI than a technical guy is going to do. Because with engineers, it is always the same. You know a hammer and you know this nail and you can fix everything with a hammer and your nail. And this what you said is Stepping out of your comfort zone at that moment needs to be the step to have a creative solution for like a toil task, for instance, like putting something to a calendar where you can just say you want to have that day off on Wednesday, whatever, and then it's done. That's so cool. True. And you're talking with different people. You don't talk only with IT. You're talking with someone from HR or someone from communication, or you need to talk with lots of different people to get things done. And you can build it by yourself as well. So I think everyone can build it. We say that, but I don't know if it's... always said that's it. But they say everyone can build it. But I always see people need help in this. But yeah, I think it's really nice to start and finding out what you can do and you get really creative. When you start something, I think everyone has lots of tasks, tasks that they can can use in it. And I was made Yes. So I did my first session like two years ago in public and it was about workflows in Teams. I don't know if you ever know what that is. Do you ever heard about it, workflows in Teams? Well, shall I answer honest or... Yes? How can I not know that? Yes, it is. I have heard about it. Yes. That's That's nice. So I did that session like two years ago and a lot of people don't know it, workflows in Teams. And I think it's like a little bit the same. There are a lot of things that you can use, but you don't know that it's there. And workflows in Teams is like power automating your task in, for example, Teams. And that's a small part, but I... feeling that we're doing the same right now, not only in teams and the different things that we're doing, but it's the same like where do we need to start? We have so many processes and we have so many implications and we work with so many people together and the possibilities are really high. Excellent. Thank you for also giving us some ideas how to elaborate this AI a little bit more and use it more on a daily basis. do you may want to... How can I put that? think the idea behind that is we talk a lot about copilot. And you mentioned you will start, or is it currently starting, women in AI? I'm just curious, is this about copilot as well, or is it more about AI, like something? machine learning, technical stuff behind that, large language, small language, models, something. lots, lots more. think a lot of people knowing that they want to do something, but don't know where to start or they want to studying or want to start to do something in AI. For example, we are doing this, the Azure AI fundamentals, just to first start to give them examples in what you can do and how you can build by yourself. Of course, there is also a little bit like Copilots, but it's like a small thing in our program that people can learn. Machine learning is as well there. So we have different buckets. People can finding out what they can do. One of the things that is really important is I think we don't know where to start. What can we do? Like, for example, the woman in cyber, that was something, okay, can I be an analyst or can I be someone in sales or what are the things that I like about cybersecurity? And the same is like in AI, I want to do something. It's always changing. We can do so many things, but what is the thing, the typical role that is like for me, what is important for me and how can I help there? And how can I, for example, give my creativity in some kind of ways there on a consultancy way or just building something or so where to start. And I think it's really great that there are some programs that are there that people can tell about what they are doing, how they learned and that they are getting some opportunities as well to start on different roles and finding out. That's so great. Is there a way, Femke, to support those communities? I I'm obviously a man and I identify as such. hey, guys. Okay, folks, you could see that, but it was like, it was just a rude Michael, just a rude Michael that turned out. The nice guy turned into the rude Michael. Just that you know that, okay? I think. Femke, how can we support as a male tech such communities? Is that wanted? Is it just that we spread the word about it or are there other ways to support? Yeah, thank you so much. there's there spread the world about it. That's amazing if people can do that, of course, because then we can find more people and more people want to join. But we always need allies. I think that's really important to have some allies to help them finding a job or if if there is something. It's really nice if you want to start somewhere and you can ask questions and nobody thinks. Okay, why are you asking these questions? You have so many people around you who have the same, don't know where to start. So finding people around you who can say, okay, I'm there for you. And if you have any question, I'm here. I think that's really important. No matter what kind of question it is, we are here to support you and to help you with that. And there is no stupid question. It's all fine. We also see, for example, men in our programs in our women programs. We're starting as well and they are actually more than welcome to join as well. But why is a women in program? think it's also good to mention that, for example, in the Netherlands, we see like 90 % of the people that are working in tech are women and they mostly work on administration kind of roles. So it's really low and we really want to do something about that. So helping there to get more supportive and grow there in our, in more representing women in different roles. think this, don't know if it's really helping in helping in a problem, but probably something. And if there is someone who will get a nice job out of it, I'm really happy and I'm really proud of the program if that's worked out. So. about your question about what men can do. You can join for sure, but spread the word and be a mentor in all kinds of ways. That's cool, that's great. That's how community should work out. And I just had a rough thinking that maybe when some of our colleagues are listening to this word, women in tech, they feel like being excluded by the title itself. Not saying that it is like so, but just to explain why the question came up. And, yes, I'd love to support these communities for sure. Our communities are open as well for anybody and there are no stupid questions. We, we have a code of conduct where we stick with that and we really, really, encourage people to, to come to pass by and also to ask questions if there are any, but I understand as well that as like, more. I don't want to use the word save environment, but I can't get a better one yet. Like a save environment here in this stage where you are more comfy to ask questions, like just explain. Yeah, and it's really important that you have some people where you can that you can see, right? That you can see, OK, I can be that person as well. If I can grow and be that person as well. And maybe what I see, like there are communities worldwide who say, OK, we really do our best to put more women in states, helping them as well, because it's really important to have like a mix of people who telling them stories. about how we use technology and different perspective is always good. So what we do with as well the Dutch women in tech communities is going together to a community events and don't be the only women in a room, but be there together and show up because we always see if we were there, it's not that hard. It's really nice and everyone is nice. But the first step. It's really difficult. when you see people on stage and for me, that was, for example, Donna Sacher years ago, but there are many more women that I really admire. If you see them, you can think, OK, yes, it's possible, right? And that is what we need. We need more stories about others who are doing really well. So role models, I think, is really important. And I hope, I don't know, maybe it's rude to say that I am a role model, but I hope I can be a role model. can help so many people to do the same and making steps by starting in ZEC, but as well growing. yeah, hopefully they are joining as well all your communities. And hopefully Dutch Women in ZEC is not there anymore in a few years and we can say, okay, we did it. That's my goal. Great. I'd love to support you with any of that. And I'm happy to say that I have a new role on the community work where I really can support this in Germany for instance, a lot. We need to talk about this later. Great. So thank you. This is a mind blowing opening and I really love... the openness and the straightforward way you're explaining this and you're right, it changes a lot when you see a person where you can look at and say, okay, she made it, they made it. It's difficult to say, so I can do and yeah, I will follow that. It's really great. So you have my support all the way. Thank you. Thank you very much. I can echo that and I'm really looking forward to We don't have to talk about someone specific in tech as well. So everyone should be included and they should be safe. I can... I've actually the interesting discussion at the customer side as well. So we're not only women, but some people in specific hierarchy levels, they are afraid to ask easy questions because they look or they sound may stupid for themselves because they... everyone is aware of the answer already. So I really hope to reduce those, I don't know the English word, to break down those boundaries so everyone is able to free up and speak. But especially coming to events is something we are really looking forward to seeing more. people and from all genders. And Karana said this in an interview with Ignite. She said it's still the most busiest tolets are the man's and she's looking that in some years it will not only be the man's so it will be equal. Let's hope for that. Yeah, let's hope for that. And what you mentioned, when we talk, when we think about business perspective or when I talk with a customer, it's not always that, but sometimes you have like talking with a customer and asking a question and I want to be the one who gives that answer. But the customer is watching always to the guy because they think, okay, but. He knows more about the technical stuff than probably she knows. And one of the things that I, why I'm just want to say is, and it's not always this, right? So it's not always the same, but as a man on the table next to that woman, you can give it back. And that's one of the things that you can think about what you can do, not on the other side of the table, but when you're together with someone. you can give it back and you can say, can give this instead of talking about it and, okay, it's my party. So there are a lot of things that you can learn and a lot of things when you just look, a really good look what's happening in room on an event or just with a customer or with two colleagues to get, yeah. to make some steps everywhere. But I don't think it's almost always the same situation. I think there are a lot of things happening already and it's an awesome field that we are in and everything is evolving and we are always busy with new stuff. And one of the things that we mentioned before was like, the next generation that is coming. It's also really impressive, I think, to think about the next generation that is coming into the fields. You can use it already, but think about the next generation is using AI now already on schools or coming to the fields. There are so many people not using it in the field right now. They are more experienced about learning real fast. with toolings like AI. And when I think about my kids, they're swiping all around all the day and everything needs to come to them. And yeah, I think that's one of the next steps that will happen is that we have more toolings that come to persons. Do you want this? Can I do this for you? Okay, let's go. And yeah, we all need, it's some of them already there, but we need to be prepared about that. And the next generation is, think, already that far that they only want that. Otherwise, they don't want to work for you. Yeah, I see that. I see this little bit like a sword, double-sided. See this on the one way it is good, because information is more or less available and maybe smartness is not anymore that important. But I see the smartness endangered to be lost on the way somehow, because we need smart people or intelligent people or people with with creativity, doing things on their own, developing things and having ideas and stuff. it can be a danger side of this technology here. I, yeah, I know. I mean, if you look at some films like Idiocresity, it feels like a documentation nowadays and not like a fantasy sci-fi. so... But that's it, what I wanted to leave with that. I see the concerns here and as well as the demands are there. we have now strived all the way from your person, from your technology view, from your daily tasks of your women in tech, the statement of women in tech. I love it so much. And let me answer one thing. Yes, you're a role model. to many, many, many older adults. So it's really important that you're around and that you show off that it is feasible to be women in tech. And it's not like I don't want to put you on a stage like a heroine. I just want to say you are here and we appreciate it that you are here. And for me and Michael, it is pretty normal. We don't care about the gender. It is like we want to talk to people and want to be treated respectful as we treat them respectful. So this is really one important thing. And if you show up with knowledge or with curiosity about something and I can support you or you're requesting support or am I requesting support on you? I don't care about your gender. So just speaking for me at this moment. When we're looking forward to 2025, what are the biggest things you're expecting? Because we need to come to an end as you've requested it a little bit. What is the biggest thing you're looking forward for 2025? It may be a technology step, it may be a personal event you're looking for. And please don't name the MVP summit. Yeah. I'm doing some stuff that I cannot mention. that's but it's always exciting to step out of your COVID zone. So that's one. But I think I want to join Ignite this year. I think that I can talk about I really want to go to San Francisco and doing that. So I have that on my agenda this year to hopefully deliver a session. That's on my bucket list, so I hope I can do that. We need to do something together. okay, I'm in, I'm in. Okay, that's it. Now it's on the records. I'm in, I'm completely in. Okay, that's great, Michael. grace. And you, Michael. Yes, I'm in as well. I'm working for spreading the word about AI. So that's something I really looking forward. During multiple events, I realized we are on the leading edge and we always talk about technology like this is something you heard one year ago. You should know everything about that. and I'm getting questions like, what's Copilot again? And what are the differences between Copilot on Outlook.com and what's Copilot and my business? There is a business Copilot. and that's something where I'm really looking forward to explain and getting more ideas how to use AI in different ways, not only Copilots, and we get a fundamental understanding about AI in general. So yes, there are multiple events. are a lot of people I love to meet in person. I would try to really avoid to mention MVP Summit. But anyway, the topic is something I really looking forward to drive forward. And I think it will be It will stay in our daily life for multiple years. will change, I wouldn't say it will change everything. It changed a lot already. So yeah, it's here to stay. Great. Femke, there's one last sentence before we come to an end. We want to offer you so that you can say whatever you want to our audience. It's up to you. As long as you want, we don't limit you. But it's your last before we say goodbye. Before we say goodbye, I hope I met you all somewhere, somehow. Maybe it's Ignice. To our session, Ralph, maybe we can have a lot of people over there and making some noise. But last words, thank you for having me in this podcast. I enjoyed it. Hopefully, see you all soon. Thank you for joining us. was really a pleasure to talk about AI Copilot, how you work with Copilot, what's going on on the different ways, like communities, different women in cyber or AI community. So thank you. Thank you very much for all the details we have learned. And Ralph, will you talk the last sentence? I will do. Okay. Thank you all for being here. Thank you. Thank you very much for joining us for our Decode AI podcast. I hope you're going to share this then at the end of the day, a lot so that we gain a lot new followers. Michael, thanks for the time and being patiently with me today. It's so great to have you. Okay. So goodbye all. Stay tuned, stay interested, sign up, listen up. Here we go. Bye bye. Take care all. Thanks for listening.